Jones supports marriage amendment

Published 10:03pm Thursday, January 30, 2014

Suffolk’s Chris Jones has signed a letter with 52 other delegates asking Gov. Terry McAuliffe to rein in Attorney General Mark Herring’s support of a case against Virginia’s Marriage Amendment.

The House Republicans have taken issue, requesting McAuliffe appoint special counsel to defend it, after Herring joined a lawsuit that would declare unconstitutional the amendment that defines marriage as solely between one man and one woman.

Ratified by 57 percent of voters in 2006, the amendment to Virginia’s constitution is also known as the Marshall-Newman Amendment, in part after Bob Marshall, the apparent author of the letter to McAuliffe and who also sponsored the amendment.

Responding to the Jan. 24 letter, McAuliffe wrote that Virginia’s same-sex marriage ban is being “vigorously and appropriately defended” by the respective clerks of court for Norfolk and Prince William County.

Herring says he would not defend the amendment and would seek to have it declared unconstitutional, as he believes it violates the U.S. Constitution.

“I swore an oath to both the United States Constitution and the Virginia Constitution. After thorough legal review, I have now concluded that Virginia’s ban on marriage between same sex couples violates the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution on two grounds: marriage is a fundamental right being denied to some Virginians, and the ban unlawfully discriminates on the basis of both sexual orientation and gender,” he said in a news release.

Virginia had before “argued on the wrong side of some of our nation’s landmark cases,” Herring added, citing school desegregation, interracial marriage and the 1996 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that Virginia could not fund single-gender education at Virginia Military Institute without also providing comparable education for females.

“It’s time for the Commonwealth to be on the right side of history and the right side of the law,” Herring said.

A second letter from Republican delegates urged McAuliffe to order Herring to “stand down, withdraw from the case and take his brief attacking our constitution with him.”

Failure to do so would make McAuliffe “a silent cheerleader to the unprecedented and unauthorized actions of the attorney general.”

In a suit filed in federal court in Norfolk in July, and a second case pending in Harrisonburg, Janet Rainey, the state registrar of vital records, is being sued for implementing Virginia’s ban on same-sex marriage.

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  • Lovebug

    I would love to know what percentage of the people against gay marriage actually have a gay family member or maybe even a gay child. We are all children of god and I often wonder….if in gods eyes its a sin to be gay then why is he creating gay children? These people are not waking up one day deciding they will turn gay. They are born this way and know from a very early age that something is different about them. Who are any of us to tell another person who they can or can not marry?

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    • whitemarshtaxpayer

      I agree with you 100 % lovebug … So well said !!!!

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      • So What

        bug, I don’t think that there has ever been a consenus of opinions on that, not even among the so called Christian leadership, this is an issue that is open for debate, if I may say, like global warming, opps climate change, Darwinism or creationism
        this is why I take the approach if you are happy and you know it then clap your hands, its been the radical gays who pushed their agenda, just think what if the Ellen DeGeneres types had been the type of gays out in the front, same sex marriage would have been resolved 30 years ago, no it was the hard core Rosie types who hijacked gay rights issues as a minority and the more militant or hard line stance they took the majority failed to speak up and act out with mans laws because they didn’t want to offend a minority its called political correctness all awhile the Jerry Fallwells, Pat Robertsons, Jimmy Swaggerts, Jim Bakkers, tAMMY FAYE’s Joel Osteens and that ilk were and are preaching hell and damnation. So until the day of Gods intervention is upon the party or individual I say from the biblical stand point until then clap ur hands and then he will sort them out and do what he decides what he wants to do with em. but on a lighter note what sane man would want to have sex with rosie leave me shipped wrecked on a barren island with Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and a goat wearin a bell, listen for the bell, because that’s how your gonna find me/us

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    • Lovebug

      OMG “so what” I can’t tell you enough how much I LOVE your comments. They truly crack me up. LOL There is a correctness to everything in life but what I like to point out to people is what exactly is “correct”? When someone is BORN gay, know from an early age that they feel different from everyone else, then grow up to realize oops something is very wrong here, at what point are they correct or not correct? Our society has made people who are born this way feel like alians with jokes, bible verses of whats correct and not correct, etc. So much so that so many have actually taken their own life. At what point do we start to see that the way so many make them feel is NOT CORRECT? We are all created by the same “GOD”. If we want to talk whats suppose to be “correct” then GOD created us all. Its said that he makes NO mistakes. There is a reason for everything he does. We are his children his master piece. So if thats so then the children he creates as gay must be created for a reason. I have to wonder, is he creating them because hes testing the rest of us on our “correctness”? When it comes to judgement day I know that I will be just fine because I have treated ALL people the same. Can everyone else say the same? I think we all should stop and think that one day when we are spewing the hate from our mouths about whats correct and not correct when it comes to people being gay your child or other family member standing in the room with you just may call you out and alert you to the fact that they are gay. How will you feel in that moment? You NEVER know who is around you and what is going on inside of them. So many say oh if my kid were gay I would surly know. There is NO mistaken that. LOL Don’t be so dumb. I thought I would know because I’m very very close to all my family members but when someone is ashamed, scared, and keeping a secret they can do it very well and fool even the best of us.

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    • Savannah
  • So What

    If AG Herring doesn’t think he can support the state’s laws, as he swore to do, in good conscious, he should resign the office and campaign for his beliefs like any other private citizen. Our judicial review system can’t work to test our laws if we have no one to argue for one side of the issue, just as our trial system won’t work without public defenders arguing in court for people we believe are guilty. Corrupting his office for his own political views is nothing less than a coup overthrowing a vital part of our government that he swore to protect, and he should go to prison for it. Seriously The issue is almost irrelevant. The salient point is that while all politicians lie to some extent, it is Democrats who must always lie about their intentions Well kids, I think we all have learned something but what I also think is that we all as citizens and taxpayers. should stop and thank Mr. Res Spears and the Suffolk News Herald for providing this forum to have these lively and most importantly open knowledgeable debates, who would have ever thunk the Suffolk News Herald and its readers would ever become a ‘ think tank’. THANK YOU MR SPEARS

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    • Savannah

      Eh, I never really think in terms of them vs us. I tend to pick the politician I think has the most gumption. Know what I mean? I can’t say, hey, I’m strictly a Dem here, or, I’m a full Republican here! If I like what you’re thinking, I’m gonna back ya up. :)

      A forum to speak and read is always a good thing. I love seeing others folks views on issues. Sometimes, I am even swayed to an opinion I didn’t previously have, and I think that’s the way the human mind should work! :)

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      • So What

        That Savvanah is What I call being a I player mam, independent, INDIVIDUAL Integrity.

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    • Savannah

      Aww, thanks, So What. :)

      That really put a smile on my face. Thank you.

      I try, I don’t always make it.. but I try! Any help folks give me along the way, even if I don’t always see eye to eye with ‘em, I always see as help in the long run. That minute? LoL, perhaps not always, but I’ll reflect, and I will appreciate, in time. :)

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  • So What

    So I propose the following question: Could have The founders considered marriage an institution for rearing children, not for rearing one another?

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  • So What

    huxster thank you for correcting my mistake on our living breathing documents. I have never have laid claim to being a constitutional scholar like one I know who has but has no law license.

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  • MrJiggyFly

    I have a problem when you have a fresh set of politicians going after a State Constitutional amendment and the clean-up crew hasn’t even finished putting away the chairs from the victory party. A majority of the citizens voted for the amendment. What’s next? The amendment protecting our property rights? Or will Herringbone and T-Mac zone in on gun rights? It’s gonna be an interesting four years thats for sure.

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    • Savannah

      Hi MrJigglyFly-

      Yeah, I can get behind that rationale.

      I think it was just so close, 57% and such a deep seated issue, someone felt the need, for lack of a better word, to take it on. Could they be doing it for their political career, oh yeah, I surely don’t put it past ‘em, these are after all, politicians we’re talking about. But I think you bring up a valid concern.

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    • So What

      ol·i·gar·chy noun \ˈä-lə-ˌgär-kē, ˈō-\

      : a country, business, etc., that is controlled by a small group of people

      : the people that control a country, business, etc.

      : government or control by a small group of people

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  • jhuxster

    Savannah Girl: In every state the religious rights of those of us who disagree with this “marriage” have been trampled upon. Christians are facing jail time and thousands in fines simply because they cannot, because of their religious beliefs, provide services to people who want to do this. In many of these same states, churches are being told they HAVE to host these weddings if they host other weddings. Our new governor has said that if the law changes he will move to FORCE churches and ministers to host/conduct these “marriages.” I oppose this marriage for a simple reason–marriage is not defined by man it is defined by God. You may not like that, and you may not agree with that, but that’s truth. We are not allowed to change God’s rules just because we don’t like them. Using your logic, since so many people among us are thieves we should now approve that behavior as well.

    Like so many who don’t understand proper biblical interpretation you make a point that isn’t even applicable. The verse you quoted applied to the covenant community of the nation Israel prior to the coming of Christ. It doesn’t apply today since no such covenant community exists. If you’re going to make applicable biblical applications you need to understand more than “this is what it says.” When it says it, to whom it says, and in what era it says it makes all the difference. For example, the Bible also says Judas went out and hung himself. And it says go and do likewise. However, the verses are not contextually connected and advocating people hanging themselves based upon that does violence to the meaning of the Scripture.

    Our new morality has reaped a wonderful harvest hasn’t it? More than 55 million babies killed by their mothers because they weren’t wanted. Murder now a spectator sport. Upwards of 44% of all babies born in our nation born out of wedlock–upwards of 70% plus in some minority groups. That virtually condemns the children in those relationships to lives of poverty, crime, and drug abuse. Men willing to father children, but who refuse to be a dad. TV you can’t watch because of the filth. STDs on the rise. Writers who are incapable of writing without using profanity and obscenity because it’s an easy laugh. Every vice of the ancient Roman empire is repeated in America today. And, like Rome, we can expect to reap the harvest of what we sow.

    I don’t want to be in their bedroom. I don’t walk around asking people if they are homosexual. I understand they want to “protect” their rights (please show me a right to be married in the Constitution) but there were and are ways to do that short of redefining marriage. Now that we’ve done this, get ready for polygamist and bigamist relationships and worse–because after all who are YOU to say I can’t have 14 wives if I so choose? OR a woman can’t have 14 husbands if she so desires? or that 3 men and 5 women can’t all be married to each other?

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    • Savannah

      I was raised so far outside of these views that when I’ve read the Bible, I simply don’t interpret it the way you do. I just don’t, and there are many out there that feel the same way.

      Whether it is Leviticus 20:13 or Deuteronomy 22:13-21 someone will always find a way to make a quote from the Bible fit their take on things. See what I did there?

      As far as someone being a polygamist is concerned..if they are not hurting anyone and everyone is a consenting adult (I’m not speaking any creepy Warren Jeffs stuff) I say live and let live. Again, with everyone involved being consenting adults doing no harm to others.

      Key Clauses of the 14th Amendment
      Four principles were asserted in the text of the 14th amendment. They were:

      1. State and federal citizenship for all persons regardless of race both born or naturalized in the United States was reaffirmed.

      2. No state would be allowed to abridge the “privileges and immunities” of citizens.

      3. No person was allowed to be deprived of life, liberty,or property without “due process of law.”

      4. No person could be denied “equal protection of the laws.”

      We’re not going to agree, Jhuxster. It’s not even a battle I’ll argue. Religious and political stuff gets too ugly. I said my part and that’s that as far as I’m concerned. I’m not from around here, or even this part of the country, wasn’t raised Christian and have too many wonderful gay friends to think this is any kind of right. I don’t think you’re any less cool either for having your take on things, I’ve agreed with many things you’ve posted in the past, and likely will in the future too, but on this, we’ve got a whole separate take on things.

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    • Lovebug

      I don’t believe anyone is trying to “change” God’s rules. I personally believe that God changed his own rules when he started to create his gay children. After all he is our creator right? I think that maybe just maybe God is testing ALL of his children and how they will respond to ALL of his creations. I would be very careful in your thoughts and actions because you just may be failing his test. We are ALL his creations even those who are Gay. GOD made them Gay!

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  • Savannah

    /sigh

    It’s 2014. How about a little equality, let alone a little understanding that not everyone fits into the same box society would like them to fit into.

    It’s a sad world that there has to even be a battle over the right to be married to the person you love. Love is love. PERIOD.

    I know, I know, there are those that are no doubt going to say, “but the Bible says..!!

    The Bible also says we should stone to death the woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night, right? In part, it says:

    …Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

    Them ‘Sex and The City’ women are in for alot of trouble, not to mention that somewhat new show on HBO, ‘Girls’..

    Times change. The rules of society change. Moral codes change. I know, you don’t like that last one, but it happens. What people thought was just unacceptable in past times is likely something we don’t bat an eye at anymore. Barbara Eden wasn’t allowed to show her belly button on TV from 1965-1970. Now, Kim Kardashian is taking selfies of her butt to post on Twitter, and Miley Cyrus (You know, Suffolk, good old Billy Ray Cyrus of the ‘Achy Breaky Heart’? His daughter.) is being obscene with a foam finger you get a sporting events and the grown son of the Growing Pains dad on the MTV Awards show on TV.

    I think we can all stand to let someone marry the person they’ve fallen in love with, and not worry about what they do behind closed doors.

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    • So What

      The bible says The Bible says, the Bill Of Rights says pursuitof happiness. you cant have the Constitution without the BOR. Whats that song, ‘ “if you’re happy and you know it, clap your hands” well im a clapping I bet you are to so why cant others? and if God has a problem with those who don’t live by his every word he will deal with them when that time becomes his. for I doubt you do, I know I don’t but that’s between me and my God
      ALSO The Captain and Tenille said love would keep them together well we saw how that worked out didn’t we?

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      • jhuxster

        The Bill of Rights says nothing about the pursuit of happiness nor does the Constitution. That’s in the Declaration of Independence which, while a truly magnificent document, is not a governing document of the country. Also, there is no constitutional right to marriage either–herein lies the problem. As Justice Scalia said in his dissenting opinion last year, we’ve now enshrined into the Constitution a right to get married. Does that mean if I can’t find someone to marry I can sue because my “rights” are being violated?

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